
There has been a list of questions bandied about on Twitter today asking for “Thoughtful Obamacare supporters” to answer 11 questions. Starting the conversation with the “thoughtful” challenge while insisting on the “Obamacare” handle is a little petty, but what the hell, you asked, I’m answering.
What does it say that the American polity has consistently rejected a wholesale government takeover of health care for 100 years? What did it say that the country rejected the abolition of slavery for a hundred years?
What does it say that it took one hundred years to secure the abolition of slavery? Are you trying to suggest that a just cause is negated by the time it takes to overcome?
What does it say that public opinion has been consistently against the Democrats’ health care takeover since July 2009? It says that the description “government takeover” is frightening, what public opinion has been against is your demonization of reform. Of course “takeover” is NOT the reality of the legislation, if it were, we would be talking about single payer and you would have some VERY happy progressives.
What does it say that Democrats are having this much difficulty enacting their health care legislation despite unified Democratic rule? Despite large supermajorities in both chambers of Congress, including a once-filibuster-proof Senate majority (see more below)? Despite an opportunistic change in Massachusetts law that provided that crucial 60th vote at a crucial moment? Despite a popular and charismatic president? This battle has been going on, as you pointed out in the first question for a very long time, if it were easy, it would have been done already. Are you claiming that only things that are easy are worth doing?
What does it say that 38 House Democrats voted against the president’s health plan? It says exactly what every legislative vote says… that someone has a tough election, that someone doesn’t agree with the language, that someone can’t stand the bill. Just like every other bill that has ever been in Congress, to suggest that it “means” something specific and unified is disingenuous at best.
What does it say that Massachusetts voters elected, to fill the term of Ted Kennedy, a Republican who ran against the health care legislation that Kennedy helped to shape? Mostly it says that more people voted for Scott Brown than Martha Coakley. Since many of those who voted for Scott Brown claimed they were dissatisfied with the Democratic choice because the Dems were not supporting a strong public option in the health care bill would indicate that what you want it to mean doesn’t really fit.
What does it say that the only thing bipartisan about that legislation is the opposition to it? It says that no Republicans voted for a bill that is pretty much what they claimed they wanted the last time health care reform was defeated in 1993… Move the goal post much?
What does it say that 39 senators voted to declare that legislation’s centerpiece unconstitutional? It says that there are three branches of government and the legislative is not who you consult to determine constitutionality, that would be the judicial.
What does it say that health care researchers — a fairly left-wing lot — think the Senate bill is unconstitutional? See the last question… Seriously.
What does it say that the demands of pro-life and pro-choice House Democrats, each of which hold enough votes to determine the fate of this legislation, are irreconcilable? It says that abortion is a very contentious issue, pretty much why Republicans have been using it as a wedge issue since the passage of Roe V Wade.
What does it say that House Democrats are actually contemplating a legislative strategy that would deem the Senate bill to have passed the House — without the House ever actually voting on it? What does it say that you ask questions that are not based in fact for the purpose of eliciting a predictable response? YOU asked for thoughtful, you might have tried harder with the questions.
Given that ours is a system of government where ambition is made to counteract ambition, what does it mean that the only way to pass this legislation is for the House to trust that the Senate will keep the House’s interests at heart? What does it say about your questions that the interests of the American people are at best a distant second to the politics of the situation? What does it say that the Republicans have done nothing to solve the health care crisis since they scuttled health care reform seventeen years ago? What does it say that Republicans insists they “want” health care reform and yet rarely add anything, including honest effort at debate to the process? What does it say?

What does it say that the American polity has consistently rejected a wholesale government takeover of health care for 100 years? What did it say that the country rejected the abolition of slavery for a hundred years?
What does it say that public opinion has been consistently against the Democrats’ health care takeover since July 2009? It says that the description “government takeover” is frightening, that of course is NOT the reality of the legislation, if it were, we would be talking about single payer and you would have some VERY happy progressives.
What does it say that Democrats are having this much difficulty enacting their health care legislation despite unified Democratic rule? Despite large supermajorities in both chambers of Congress, including a once-filibuster-proof Senate majority (see more below)? Despite an opportunistic change in Massachusetts law that provided that crucial 60th vote at a crucial moment? Despite a popular and charismatic president? This battle has been going on, as you pointed out in the first question for a very long time, if it were easy, it would have been done already. Are you claiming that only things that are easy are worth doing?
What does it say that 38 House Democrats voted against the president’s health plan? It says exactly what every legislative vote says… that someone has a tough election, that someone doesn’t agree with the language, that someone can’t stand the bill. Just like every other bill that has ever been in Congress, to suggest that it “means” something specific and unified is disingenuous at best.
What does it say that Massachusetts voters elected, to fill the term of Ted Kennedy, a Republican who ran against the health care legislation that Kennedy helped to shape? Mostly it says that more people voted for Scott Brown than Martha Coakley. Since many of those who voted for Scott Brown claimed they were dissatisfied with the Democratic choice because the Dems were not supporting a strong public option in the health care bill would indicate that what you want it to mean doesn’t really fit.
What does it say that the only thing bipartisan about that legislation is the opposition to it? It says that no Republicans voted for a bill that is pretty much what they claimed they wanted the last time health care reform was defeated in 1993… Move the goal post much?
What does it say that 39 senators voted to declare that legislation’s centerpiece unconstitutional? It says that there are three branches of government and the legislative is not who you consult to determine constitutionality, that would be the legislative.
What does it say that health care researchers — a fairly left-wing lot — think the Senate bill is unconstitutional? See the last question… Seriously.
What does it say that the demands of pro-life and pro-choice House Democrats, each of which hold enough votes to determine the fate of this legislation, are irreconcilable? It says that abortion is a very contentious issue, pretty much why Republicans have been using it as a wedge issue since the passage of Roe V Wade.
What does it say that House Democrats are actually contemplating a legislative strategy that would deem the Senate bill to have passed the House — without the House ever actually voting on it? What does it say that you ask questions that are not based in fact for the purpose of eliciting a predictable response? YOU asked for thoughtful, you might have tried harder with the questions.
Given that ours is a system of government where ambition is made to counteract ambition, what does it mean that the only way to pass this legislation is for the House to trust that the Senate will keep the House’s interests at heart? What does it say about your questions that the interests of the American people are at best a distant second to the politics of the situation? What does it say that the Republicans have done nothing to solve the health care crisis since they scuttled health care reform seventeen years ago? What does it say?